tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6933470253715910366.post1294462698632163613..comments2024-03-28T19:58:17.811+00:00Comments on Wargaming Miscellany: Battle: A wargame played on a chessboard: Part 1: The rulesRobert (Bob) Corderyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13109130990434792266noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6933470253715910366.post-4518291849448277372020-04-20T12:59:34.119+01:002020-04-20T12:59:34.119+01:00Tercio,
That is an interesting idea, and would ce...Tercio,<br /><br />That is an interesting idea, and would certainly add a ‘fog of war’ element to the game. Thanks very much for sharing this with us.<br /><br />All the best,<br /><br />BobRobert (Bob) Corderyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13109130990434792266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6933470253715910366.post-64271313478601334022020-04-20T11:15:32.610+01:002020-04-20T11:15:32.610+01:00Hello,
In his « War games and their history », CG ...Hello,<br />In his « War games and their history », CG Lewin wrote about this game « it might be worth experimenting with a new rule whereby the pieces would be placed initially on non-specified squares on their back two rows and camouflaged so that their designation could be seen by their owner but not the opponent – they could not fire and would move just one square orthogonally, until turned up by their owner, when they would resume their full powers”.<br />What do you think about this alternative rule ?<br />Terciohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09283307853108715452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6933470253715910366.post-65087963652714228442016-04-18T07:33:26.050+01:002016-04-18T07:33:26.050+01:00Archduke Piccolo,
I suspect the the choice of typ...Archduke Piccolo,<br /><br />I suspect the the choice of types and numbers of playing pieces is down to the connection the fane's rules do have to chess.<br /><br />As to the rest of your comments ... well I think the Part 2 will answer some of them.<br /><br />All the best,<br /><br />BobRobert (Bob) Corderyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13109130990434792266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6933470253715910366.post-57725621218609451342016-04-18T07:28:59.523+01:002016-04-18T07:28:59.523+01:00Vintage Wargaming,
Thanks for that very useful in...Vintage Wargaming,<br /><br />Thanks for that very useful information. When reading the rules they had a late nineteenth/early twentieth century 'feel' to them.<br /><br />All the best,<br /><br />BobRobert (Bob) Corderyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13109130990434792266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6933470253715910366.post-88438724440101548622016-04-18T04:02:49.329+01:002016-04-18T04:02:49.329+01:00The game described here could equally well be play...The game described here could equally well be played with chess pieces, so long as one knew how they moved and acted:<br />King = General<br />Queen = Ammunition (logistics support)<br />Rook = Gun Battery<br />Knight = Cavalry<br />Bishop = Shell Battery.<br /><br />I infer from the rules that guns move diagonally but 'attack' orthogonally. Are the orthogonals lateral (along ranks, cognate to flanking fire) as well as longitudinal (along files)? I also infer "Capture' is not (necessarily) by replacement but by declared attacks?<br /><br />2. Infantry march orthogonally but attack diagonally (like pawns in chess, but our infantry can retreat). <br /><br />3. Artillery may move OR shoot, not both? <br /><br />3. Jiggered if I can fathom the cavalry. I suppose it also attacks orthogonally, but does capture by replacement.<br /><br />4. Friends mask gun batteries and block the movement and attacks of other units, but Shell batteries can attack over friends. Reminds me a little of the precursor of the modern chess bishop, the chaturanga elephant, which had a fixed 2-square diagonal move but could leap over friends (A bally near useless piece, the elephant, in my view, as there were only 8 squares on the board it could ever visit).<br /><br />If we could be sure about how the pieces moved and attacked (and it is not very clear, is it) then this could be a fine game indeed. <br /><br /> Archduke Piccolohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15533325665451889661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6933470253715910366.post-1256200883573568452016-04-16T17:41:34.052+01:002016-04-16T17:41:34.052+01:00I made three posts on this game on Vintage Wargami...I made three posts on this game on Vintage Wargaming back in 2009. The patent number seems to suggest it might have been patented in 1908. I have a reference to it in gamages General Catalogue of 1914Vintage Wargaminghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04251018372867101509noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6933470253715910366.post-91410007341694899182016-04-16T13:55:44.012+01:002016-04-16T13:55:44.012+01:00Rumblestrip (Andrew(,
I have certainly heard abou...Rumblestrip (Andrew(,<br /><br />I have certainly heard about this game - or something very similar - and it does seem to be similar to BATTLE, even if the numbers and types of unit are different.<br /><br />I suspect that - as with modern wargames - a certain degree of copying of ideas and concepts to place in the past, and this might well be one such example.<br /><br />I hope that you managed to play a game or two at some point as it sounds as if it would be quite interesting to do so<br /><br />All the best,<br /><br />BobRobert (Bob) Corderyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13109130990434792266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6933470253715910366.post-20778884769464070822016-04-16T13:46:51.698+01:002016-04-16T13:46:51.698+01:00Ross Mac,
Part 2 will make how the game works eve...Ross Mac,<br /><br />Part 2 will make how the game works even clearer ... I hope!<br /><br />I think that your analysis regarding the relationship between the various playing pieces and their chess equivalents is pretty well spot on.<br /><br />I think that the game was first published towards the end of the nineteenth century, but I am not positively sure.<br /><br />All the best,<br /><br />BobRobert (Bob) Corderyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13109130990434792266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6933470253715910366.post-49258442310358194152016-04-16T13:41:14.146+01:002016-04-16T13:41:14.146+01:00Nigel Drury,
I think that it was first published ...Nigel Drury,<br /><br />I think that it was first published towards the end of the nineteenth century.<br /><br />All the best,<br /><br />BobRobert (Bob) Corderyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13109130990434792266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6933470253715910366.post-75768443500420535372016-04-16T13:39:38.107+01:002016-04-16T13:39:38.107+01:00Phil Dutre,
I totally agree. It is very chess-lik...Phil Dutre,<br /><br />I totally agree. It is very chess-like in many ways ... but still different enough not to be too similar<br /><br />All the best,<br /><br />BobRobert (Bob) Corderyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13109130990434792266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6933470253715910366.post-46059115492019018552016-04-16T12:00:12.079+01:002016-04-16T12:00:12.079+01:00Bob
Very interested in this sort of thing as well....Bob<br />Very interested in this sort of thing as well. Never seen anything of this. Echo other comments on publication date - the language suggests twenties to me.<br /><br />Have you seen the game called Campaign (not Waddingtons 1970s but https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/58542/campaign)?<br /><br />Published in 1940 and possibly the first board wargame. My father in law had a copy which I have now inherited.<br /><br />From Boardgamegeek<br />"Campaign is a board wargame produced by Wills and Hepworth in Loughborough, United Kingdom. The company is better known for producing the "Ladybird" range of childrens books.<br /><br />The game components are:<br /><br />2 x sets of cardboard 4 artillery pieces (one red set, one blue set)<br />2 x sets of cardboard 4 tank pieces (one red set, one blue set)<br />2 x sets of cardboard 6 infantry pieces (one red set, one blue set)<br />1 x six sided dice<br />1 x playing board<br />1 x rules leaflet<br /><br />It is a game for 2 players, but it can be played with 2 or even 3 players on each side. Each side has 4 units of tanks, 4 units of artillery and 6 infantry units. The object of the game is to reach the opposing sides base with one of each unit type (tank, artillery and infantry)."<br /><br />Cheers<br /><br />AndrewRumblestriphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15458538310473447360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6933470253715910366.post-43250250884124216542016-04-16T11:17:30.080+01:002016-04-16T11:17:30.080+01:00Very interesting. I note that despite the (to me) ...Very interesting. I note that despite the (to me) opaque language the infantry are essentially pawns except that when they attack,the enemy must be 2 diagonals away rather than 1. The rear rank are rather less like the original yet their attck commands much the same ground when you compare the shell gun to a knight or a gun battery to a rook. <br /><br />Do you know when this was published?Ross Mac rmacfa@gmail.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04053555991679802013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6933470253715910366.post-3187315146179999482016-04-16T10:41:24.356+01:002016-04-16T10:41:24.356+01:00Do you know when it was produced?Do you know when it was produced?Nigel Druryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07635742503102210394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6933470253715910366.post-89007585837726640792016-04-16T10:35:21.699+01:002016-04-16T10:35:21.699+01:00Interesting find. And although the game is substan...Interesting find. And although the game is substantially different from chess, it very much inspired by chess :-)Phil Dutréhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13607941040736764291noreply@blogger.com