tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6933470253715910366.post28030024003240370..comments2024-03-29T11:57:40.881+00:00Comments on Wargaming Miscellany: Boy SoldiersRobert (Bob) Corderyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13109130990434792266noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6933470253715910366.post-19028817369780630202014-03-20T10:13:59.033+00:002014-03-20T10:13:59.033+00:00Nobby,
I always thought that the Army Apprentice/...Nobby,<br /><br />I always thought that the Army Apprentice/Junior Leaders scheme was an excellent idea, and its demise was a sad occasion.<br /><br />It was scrapped as part of that 'great' educational idea that everyone going through the education system should be given the same opportunities (i.e. they should all have an academic education). It did not suit a lot of pupils, who wanted to get some form of vocational training, be it as a soldier, a plumber, a police officer, or a carpenter.<br /><br />Nowadays we are going back to the idea that pupils should be given an education that matches their needs, and not some spurious concept that sees getting academic qualifications as the be-all and end-all of the education process ... but that is one of my hobby horses so I won't continue!<br /><br />All the best,<br /><br />BobRobert (Bob) Corderyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13109130990434792266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6933470253715910366.post-35247080643435364772014-03-20T09:32:37.124+00:002014-03-20T09:32:37.124+00:00You could still join the British Army as a boy sol...You could still join the British Army as a boy soldier in the 1960's and later.<br />After 15 and a half years old you could sign on as an Army Apprentice or Junior Leader.<br />My brother and I both did it in the mid and late 1960's. I was a week short of my 16th birthday when I reported to my first camp and my brother three months short of his.<br />No suggestion of being put to active service until you were 17 and a half though.nobbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02552663142940856622noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6933470253715910366.post-89867035628169131512014-03-04T17:12:49.892+00:002014-03-04T17:12:49.892+00:00Nigel Drury,
From what I can see on the website y...Nigel Drury,<br /><br />From what I can see on the website you sent the link to, they certainly were - and still are - highly regarded.<br /><br />All the best,<br /><br />BobRobert (Bob) Corderyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13109130990434792266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6933470253715910366.post-46155744347234728012014-03-03T21:28:55.281+00:002014-03-03T21:28:55.281+00:00"The cadets of the VMI were - and I imagine s..."The cadets of the VMI were - and I imagine still are ... held in high regard"<br /><br />They are indeed - see http://www2.vmi.edu/museum/nm/Nigel Druryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07635742503102210394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6933470253715910366.post-52801819850547148182014-03-02T23:01:46.059+00:002014-03-02T23:01:46.059+00:00Arthur1815,
You are right. My father left school ...Arthur1815,<br /><br />You are right. My father left school in 1940 when he was 14, went to work, and joined the Home Guard soon afterwards. He was kicked out when they found out he was underage. (He was stopped in the street by a policeman who wanted to know why he wasn't in the army, and when he handed over his identity card they discovered his true age. He then joined the Auxilliary Fire Service as a messenger. He stayed with them until he was called-up in 1944.)<br /><br />Most teenagers today don't think of themselves as children, even if the law does. In many ways things change ... and yet still remain the same.<br /><br />All the best,<br /><br />BobRobert (Bob) Corderyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13109130990434792266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6933470253715910366.post-42965159211346171542014-03-02T22:40:27.811+00:002014-03-02T22:40:27.811+00:00Bob,
Re British boy soldiers - My pupils and I on...Bob, <br />Re British boy soldiers - My pupils and I once attended a session at NAM by Andrew Robertshaw, who made IMHO the very valid point that, at that time, many boys left school at 14 (my maternal grandfather left at 13 because he had secured a post as office boy for Averys the scales manufacturers) and did a day's work in mines, steelworks and other dangerous workplaces. They did not think of themselves as 'children', but as young men who had as much right to volunteer to serve as others. We must remember that the age of majority then was 21, so many soldiers aged 19 plus (IIRC the age at which one could be sent overseas) were, in law, still minors.<br /><br />That would have also been true in the ACW. The cadets of the VMI were - and I imagine still are south of the Mason-Dixon line! - held in high regard, not seen as an example of child-exploitation.<br /><br />Different times; different attitudes. <br /><br />Regards,<br />Arthur arthur1815https://www.blogger.com/profile/12333670394529977263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6933470253715910366.post-73761401332371067652014-03-02T19:27:46.680+00:002014-03-02T19:27:46.680+00:00Chris,
I remember noting their disgust when I wat...Chris,<br /><br />I remember noting their disgust when I watched the film ... although the Commissar was singularly unmoved by what had happened.<br /><br />All the best,<br /><br />BobRobert (Bob) Corderyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13109130990434792266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6933470253715910366.post-56511159926826778492014-03-02T19:25:52.632+00:002014-03-02T19:25:52.632+00:00Jhnptrqn,
I had read that the scene was based on ...Jhnptrqn,<br /><br />I had read that the scene was based on a real incident, but I had not realised that the cadets of the Virginia Military Institute had taken part in the Battle of New Market.<br /><br />Thanks for sharing that interesting fact.<br /><br />All the best,<br /><br />BobRobert (Bob) Corderyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13109130990434792266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6933470253715910366.post-84398415038327021032014-03-02T18:02:02.637+00:002014-03-02T18:02:02.637+00:00And I guess it's worth noting that the Partisa...And I guess it's worth noting that the Partisans despised the Headmaster for sending boys into action...<br /><br />ChrisChrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05091296131481416326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6933470253715910366.post-37493832282546273062014-03-02T17:45:59.157+00:002014-03-02T17:45:59.157+00:00The incident in The Horse Soldiers was inspired by...The incident in The Horse Soldiers was inspired by the Battle of New Market, where the Confederates used the cadets of the Virginia Military Institute in the battle. The cadets of VMI were not as fortunate as in the movie; they lost 10 killed or mortally wounded and 47 wounded.jhnptrqnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11011208263053721255noreply@blogger.com