tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6933470253715910366.post559300027163013364..comments2024-03-29T10:44:22.891+00:00Comments on Wargaming Miscellany: Operation Market GardenRobert (Bob) Corderyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13109130990434792266noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6933470253715910366.post-9676075961648111042021-09-20T20:30:29.299+01:002021-09-20T20:30:29.299+01:00Jennifer,
I gather that it might have recently be...Jennifer,<br /><br />I gather that it might have recently been republished.<br /><br />https://books.google.co.uk/books/about/It_Never_Snows_in_September.html?id=f4g9PgAACAAJ&source=kp_book_description&redir_esc=y<br /><br />All the best,<br /><br />BobRobert (Bob) Corderyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13109130990434792266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6933470253715910366.post-10002676358783955232021-09-20T18:48:50.115+01:002021-09-20T18:48:50.115+01:00Have never heard of It Never Snows in September. W...Have never heard of It Never Snows in September. Will look it up, thanks!Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11669958718617450721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6933470253715910366.post-24025229664846346522021-09-19T16:13:47.561+01:002021-09-19T16:13:47.561+01:00Nundanket,
I have heard some of the others, and y...Nundanket,<br /><br />I have heard some of the others, and you are right that Messrs Holland and Murray are very entertaining and informative, and get some great contributors to take part as well.<br /><br />All the best,<br /><br />BobRobert (Bob) Corderyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13109130990434792266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6933470253715910366.post-49037858377854908732021-09-19T15:51:53.101+01:002021-09-19T15:51:53.101+01:00I can’t vouch for others. I’m not a big podcast li...I can’t vouch for others. I’m not a big podcast listener, and WWII is not my core interest, but messrs Holland and Murray are both entertaining and informative.nundankethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12895608927860103442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6933470253715910366.post-62329945197283651322021-09-19T15:48:21.934+01:002021-09-19T15:48:21.934+01:00Martin Rapier,
I look forward to reading your bat...Martin Rapier,<br /><br />I look forward to reading your battle report in due course.<br /><br />All the best,<br /><br />BobRobert (Bob) Corderyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13109130990434792266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6933470253715910366.post-58633059671427750342021-09-19T15:47:40.526+01:002021-09-19T15:47:40.526+01:00Jeremy Ramsey,
Operation Market Garden was a gamb...Jeremy Ramsey,<br /><br />Operation Market Garden was a gamble that might just have paid off if certain things had not gone wrong. Like so much in real life, each individual problem was not enough to stop it from being a success, but an accumulation of problems was. If it had succeeded and caused a collapse of German resistance in the west, it might well have resulted in a rather different balance of power in Europe.<br /><br />All the best,<br /><br />BobRobert (Bob) Corderyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13109130990434792266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6933470253715910366.post-20985033975443182392021-09-19T15:44:33.862+01:002021-09-19T15:44:33.862+01:00Nundanket,
I really ought to listen to that podca...Nundanket,<br /><br />I really ought to listen to that podcast. It sounds as if it was even better than the others I have heard.<br /><br />All the best,<br /><br />BobRobert (Bob) Corderyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13109130990434792266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6933470253715910366.post-73059346917167793682021-09-19T15:43:30.759+01:002021-09-19T15:43:30.759+01:00Steve J.,
Those two books give an excellent backg...Steve J.,<br /><br />Those two books give an excellent background to the campaign, and are very useful starting points for the amateur military historian and wargamer.<br /><br />All the best,<br /><br />BobRobert (Bob) Corderyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13109130990434792266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6933470253715910366.post-11454204994608039512021-09-19T15:42:04.798+01:002021-09-19T15:42:04.798+01:00Phil Dutre,
I think that most wargamers like to s...Phil Dutre,<br /><br />I think that most wargamers like to see their wargames turn out to have fairly accurate and historically correct results, although I have seen some that used rules that were so skewed that the end result was way off.<br /><br />The main lessons that came out of the games that I took part in was that a swift German response to the landings - even if not conducted by two weakened <i>Panzer</i> Divisions - can stymie the British attempts to capture and hold the bridge at Arnhem, and that far too much was expected of XXX Corps trying to advance on such a narrow frontage.<br /><br />All the best,<br /><br />BobRobert (Bob) Corderyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13109130990434792266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6933470253715910366.post-36851124357905958242021-09-17T18:40:10.241+01:002021-09-17T18:40:10.241+01:00I've also gamed the Market Garden campaign on ...I've also gamed the Market Garden campaign on numerous occasions (computer, board and figure games). So far it is around 60:40 to the Germans. Hoping to do an Arnhem game in a couple of weeks.Martin Rapierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16788664847205341619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6933470253715910366.post-26948644936446010872021-09-17T18:28:50.098+01:002021-09-17T18:28:50.098+01:00"Market Garden" has been badly served by..."Market Garden" has been badly served by the title of Cornelius Ryan's book and the subsequent interpretation of it in the Hollywood extravaganza. For an operation designed to get across the Rhine, the bridge at Arnhem was never "too far"?Jeremy Ramseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12250118143994161913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6933470253715910366.post-71422598817601227792021-09-17T14:02:24.479+01:002021-09-17T14:02:24.479+01:00I recently listened to the We Have Ways podcast 75...I recently listened to the We Have Ways podcast 75th anniversary special on Market Garden from 2019. I learnt a few things I don’t know before. It was an entertaining way to learn stuff as I painted.nundankethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12895608927860103442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6933470253715910366.post-23723616781702875652021-09-17T11:41:39.484+01:002021-09-17T11:41:39.484+01:00Ever since reading 'A Bridge Too Far' this...Ever since reading 'A Bridge Too Far' this has been a favourite campaign of mine ever since. I was so engrossed by it I would devour it on the beach whilst on holiday, much to my parents chagrin! 'It Never Snows In September' is even better IMHO.Steve J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12143308117853983963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6933470253715910366.post-58904951635845323232021-09-17T09:57:21.026+01:002021-09-17T09:57:21.026+01:00You say: "I’ve taken part in wargames that re...You say: "I’ve taken part in wargames that refought all or part of Operation Market Garden, and the results were always pretty close to what actually happened."<br /><br />It always strikes me as odd that wargamers marvel at the fact that their games correspond to the historical outcomes. But isn't that what the games are designed to do? ;-)<br /><br />There is designer bias in many wargames if the range of outcomes (e.g. combat results) is take from the historical record. A strange self-referencing loop, so to speak. <br /><br />Nevertheless, MG will remain one of these eternal "What if ... ?" campaigns of WW2.Phil Dutréhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13607941040736764291noreply@blogger.com